Saturday, September 5, 2009

Gun Control with Ted Nugent

I have been asked to write a blog about my stance on gun control by a friend of mine who also happens to be a cop. I’ll relay an interesting anecdote from him in a moment, but first, let’s hear from someone who is even more passionate about gun rights than I am. That fellow’s name is Ted Nugent.

It is interesting to me that people always point only to the 2nd amendment as justification for owning guns. Of course, I do believe that the 2nd amendment does guarantee us just that, but Ted makes an excellent point right out of the gate. All beings, from mankind right down to the tiniest of organisms, understand and embrace their natural right to defend their own life. If their thought process is developed enough they also extend that right to envelope defending others that are close to them. No one has ever had to explain or justify to a monkey why, when attacked, it should, can, and will use every means available to defend itself. As in Ted’s example, if you attacked an imaginary man who was completely separated from any society, this man would require no justification or explanation for defending himself from you by whatever means he had at his disposal.

Those who disagree with the right to keep and bear arms for the private citizen often say that it is guns that allow for so much violence in society. They point to tragedies where gunmen wander through schools or stores and mow down innocents, then scream that guns need to be restricted. The argument falls short for a plethora of reasons.

First, examine the method by which we are supposed to restrict the ownership of guns. That method is by creating laws. If we just had another law to prevent murderer Bob from having a gun, then we wouldn’t have any problem. This argument requires that you forget that the murder, or robbery, or rape, or whatever other crime the person committed while using his gun, was also outlawed. A criminal is, by definition, a lawbreaker. Clearly, they will not be deterred simply because there is a law standing in their way. Their victims on the other hand are lawabiding citizens, who will be deterred from bearing arms if there is a law against it. In other words, the only people who you will disarm are the very people who won’t commit the crimes you are trying to prevent in the first place! By outlawing and restricting guns you are creating an environment where the lawbreakers have fire superiority over the common citizenry.

Second, their premise is that if you could channel Harry Potter and magic away every gun in America, presumably except those in the hands of law enforcement and military personnel, then violence would likewise diminish. This argument makes the supposition that human violence is linked to the tool, and not the fallen nature of humanity itself. If you read just a little history you will find that humans have been killing humans long before they had guns. In fact, they didn’t even need knives, though that made it a bit more efficient. Humans have been killing humans since they could pick up rocks and sticks. The problem is the violence of humanity, not the instrument of violence.

Third, since we do not have any Harry Potter wands, they assume that our omnipotent government can keep the guns away from those who aren’t supposed to have them. Remember, our government cannot stop half starved refugees from crossing into Florida in leaky rafts. How are they to stop a well funded black market of firearms? Even Britain, which is many times smaller than America, cannot close its borders to guns. If you don’t believe, simply Google “drive by shooting London” and see the evidence for yourself. How much more porous would our own, much more massive borders be?

Fourth, they blind themselves to the possibility of violence used for good. This goes beyond the scenarios of war and police actions. The private citizen, too, is capable of committing justified violence, even killing, without any malicious intent.

Take, for example, the anecdote of my cop friend. In our city robbers who are attempting to hold up convenience stores have noticed that if they simply pull a gun and demand money the clerk will often be able to press the silent alarm, resulting in the capture of the criminal. So, the criminals have adapted by pulling the gun, shooting the clerk in the stomach, and then demanding the money. The now incapacitated clerk has no choice but to comply. On a video my friend was shown this very thing happened. If guns were kept out of the hands of private citizens, then the story would end with the thief making off with the cash and the world would possibly be minus one convenience store clerk.

Fortunately this is not the case. In the back of the store was Joe Six-pack, presumably there to get his next case of Bud. Joe happened to be a concealed carrying his .45. Upon hearing the shot and demand for money, Joe pulled his weapon. He took cover behind one of the aisle dividers and shot the criminal. The criminal fired back. Joe took cover, ducked out again, and shot the criminal again. The gun battle ended with one dead robber, one wounded but living clerk, one victorious armed private citizen, and no crime being successfully committed. The only dead person at the end of the day was the criminal.

An entire other article could be made going into the origins and intent of the 2nd amendment itself. I believe that this, while useful and true, is wholly unnecessary. I have the right to defend myself, with a gun if I am able, against anyone who threatens me, my family, or any other person I choose to defend.

“If guns are outlawed, only outlaws have guns.”

”If you’re coming to take my guns, you better bring guns.”

And my personal favorite:

”Peace through superior firepower.”

11 comments:

That's Mrs. Mom to you, sir. said...

I absolutely couldn't agree more. Everyone has a right to defend themselves, and to be allowed to do so effectively. Now, personally, I prefer a good sword. But anyone who wants a gun is good, too. :D

Kendall said...

Believe it or not, I'm pretty conservative when it comes to gun ownership and I agree with you.

I'm interested in your take on the President's elementary school children speech next week.

Chris said...

Ted Nugent ROCKS!

Mike said...

I agree with the sentiment Ted Nugent expresses in the video. I'd rather have the law-abiding citizens live than the law-breakers.

But do you really think that everybody should carry a gun? To me, all I see is escalation. True, humans have been managing to kill each other for millennium. And they will continue to find new and ingenious ways to do so. But as the weapons get more efficient, we find that one idiot can do a hell of a lot more damage quicker.

In other countries, such as some Middle Eastern countries and some African countries, weapons are so commonplace that almost everybody has one (usually an AK). In my mind, two things happen when everybody has a deadly weapon (gun or a knife). One is that in a criminal situation, the victim has a chance to defend themselves. The other is that random arguments are more likely to get deadly.... Unroll Parchment

Would you extend it to full automatic weapons and explosives? Should I be able to carry around an RPG for self-defense?

Lobe said...

The fact of the matter is, that one idiot is going to be able to get his hands on a gun, no matter what the government does to stop it. It has been demonstrated time and again that the governments of the world are completely inadequate when it comes to the task of controlling the flow of weapons.

Your "slippery slope" argument of pointing to ... Unroll Parchmentmachine guns and RPGs ducks the larger point, but I'll entertain it anyway. I see no reason a private citizen who has demonstrated that he can use such weapons safely could not own a M240B. Common sense would tell us that this would be a rare occurence. The bulk of a crew-served weapon (which is substantial, I can tell you), along with the expense of ammunition and the cost of the weapon itself, would be prohibitive. There are few situations I can think of where a machine gun would be able to do a job that an assault rifle couldn't, in the life of a private citizen.

Lobe said...

Forget that argument, though. Let's allow your slippery slope for a moment. What is your alternative? What do you suggest we do? Make more laws that cannot be enforced and disarm law abiding citizens? Struggle in vain to banish guns from the world entirely? I say we abandon such pipe dreams and deal with the reality we have.

Carter said...

"I don't like repeat offenders. I like dead offenders."

Normally I don't contribute to discussions such as these but I will put in my two cents on this.

The reason that many in the public clamor for gun control is one simple reason-fear. As a CRJS major I have learned much about crime rates, and the plain and simple fact is that violent crime (not even weapon specific crime) occurs far less frequently ... Unroll Parchmentthan, say, property crimes (property crimes occur about ten times more frequently than violent crimes, if you don't belive me check the FBI statistics http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/data/table_01.html). The reason that violent crimes get blown out of proportion is because of extensive media coverage. On any news site, regardless of bias, homicides appear far more frequently than any other crime, just because it makes a good story, and the Media knows (correctly) that the general public is far more interested in reading or viewing a story on a double homicide than a car that was stolen while parked. Yes, loss of life is far more serious than a
car being stolen but the point that I am trying to get at is that these crimes occur far more seldom than any other. Also, the type of weapon is not necessarily that important in terms of the ability to commit a crime. Yes, an M240B is far more efficient at ending life than a .22 rimfire from the 1930's, but a seventy year old .22 is more than ... Unroll Parchmentcapable of killing (see the Holocaust Museum shooting). I personally equate the fear of firearms to that people have of flying. Flying in a commercial airliner is statistically the safest form of transportation in the world, but some people refuse to travel that way because literally every single commercial plane crash makes the front pages of news websites, whereas fatal car crashes are far more common, but less reported. Just a thought...

Mike said...

Yes, escalation is akin to a "slippery slope" argument. But my point on escalation is merely to the idea of everyone carrying a gun on a constant basis. Face it, knowledge that a person carries the ability to deliver deadly force puts people on edge. I see that when a civilian walks into an airport and sees military security personnel carrying an M-16. I see it when a street thug shows his "piece". And if everyone were to carry a weapon, I don't think it makes the world a better place. When everyone carries a gun, people don't stop criminal activity. They simply start carrying bigger guns.

However, ownership is a different thing. I have no problem with law-abiding, educated owning a gun for self-defense.

I see no reason a private citizen who has demonstrated that he can use such weapons safely could not own a M240B....

Personally, this illustrates the only objection I have to the current system. I'd like people to be required to obtain a license to purchase a gun.

Mike said...

That would, theoretically, make sure that the person demonstrates they can use the weapon safely. It would, of course, be about as effective as our current driver's license system. Which is to say, not too great, but maybe it would help? There would still be unlicensed gun owners, just like there are a slew of unlicensed drivers.

But yeah, I also like dead offenders better than repeat offenders for some egregious crimes.

Kendall said...

The problem is not the guns its the people. They should just make the owner of a gun responsible for anything, and i mean anything that gun shoots. If its stolen, tough shit, you should have locked it up. Your kid blows his brains out, well why the hell is your kid playing with a loaded gun genius?

You can't police common sense.

Lobe said...

Personal responsibility. Damn, man, I agree with you Kendall. I need to mark this on my calendar... Except maybe the stolen part. :p